I am really disappointed that it is applauded that Shaudi’s intention to cause disharmony was intentional. I feel like a really big fool thinking that she simply got pissed, defensive and over reacted like anyone might do. To me, THAT would have been completely understandable and easy to let go. The idea that it was deliberate or “just to get everyone’s goat” is no better than all the accusations that have been thrown at the “old bitties” over at YA. In fact, it strikes me as very hypocritical.

I AM offended. As a member of this board and especially as moderator, I truly thought “we” were above actions like that. This place is based on support and friendship and teamwork. Going over to YA and deliberately crapping on the entire group, including those NOT involved in the Castline mess is completely against the ideals that this board seems to want to promote.

I DO care about what people think of me and right now I am not proud to be part of this board. The ones that are “most upset” are NOT reps who have been around for years. Just because they have thousands of posts over there does not make them successful in AVON just as having thousands of posts over here does not make one successful in anything else in particular. I don’t understand what “their expiration date is coming up” means, but again, it certainly does NOT sound as if it is in support of or upholding to other reps.

The majority of the women that post at YA are fairly new. So as you say, they are ALSO the “new generation” of AVON. There are a few of us oldies but most of US don’t get over involved in the BS unless we are hashing it out with each other. I don’t understand why the “expired” reps can’t inspire the “new generation” and vice versa. I’m shocked at the underlying animosity I am hearing here.

There are very few over there that claim to have large customer bases or downlines. Off the top of my head, I can only think of five or six, myself included. I have had more time than I’ve had in the past because of my recent brain surgery, TPaul is in the same boat and the others don’t post that often. That aside, why is anyone being judged on their number of posts? Do any of us really know each other’s circumstances? Will you start to cast those same judgements to those members here who start racking up the posts? That really confuses me.

It seems to me that your beef with Castline has carried over to a whole group and that is completely unfair. There are very few over there that give a rat’s ass about her, but merely tolerate her because she is sheer entertainment in a “point and giggle” sort of way. By taking your beef with her out on everyone, you are doing a great disservice to your board. I understand that you don’t care and that’s fine, but I do as might many of your members here if they knew how you really feel.

Personally, I could care less about your endless advertising and to be honest, no one else would have cared either until Shaundi made such a stink about it. But if you think about it, you are doing EXACTLY what you are reporting Castline for and I don’t understand how you can justify that. To turn it into what sounds like a whole war against the board is shocking and NOT something I want to be a part of.

I think you are really good people and I hope I am completely misunderstanding what is going on here. Thanks for having me, I wish you all the best.

Jennett,
I am sorry you feel the way you do. I think that there are a few outside influences that may have added to your feeling uncomfortable here yesterday. 1. Tracey did break the mod forums and after she realized she could not fix it she called me in and it even took me a while to fix things.2. A few of the mods you PM’d to chat (because of the mod forums not working), had no idea what was going on and did not realize their telling you they were busy would look like they were avoiding you and refusing to talk things over. They just thought you wanted to chat they did not know you wanted to chat chat. 3. I knew Tracey and you had PM’d. I am not privy to those Pm’s nor do I want to be. Tracey shares with me what she feels is necessary. 4. Due to the passion we both feel I felt it best that I wait to see how things transpired before discussing anything with you. Now in retrospect, I can understand how this may have looked to you

It was discussed that your mod status would be removed at least temporarily to protect HD. Tracey and I also discussed that she would be the one to deal with this, because of the fact that you and I feel so passionately about our view points on the situation at hand. Your final post that night stated “I feel as if this is turning into an Us vs. Them and I can’t be a part of it” . To me that sounded like a resignation. I did not get the impression that you were coming back in the morning to reread things. I also assume that no response on my part after that may have implied that I was rude, but like you I needed to gather my thoughts and calm down.

What I was doing in my post was an attempt to bring the morale back up, your posts of foreboding had brought with them a feeling of “doom and gloom”. I wanted them to see that we did not need YA and we should not care what anyone at YA thought of us. It could not hurt us. I may have been a bit harsh on YA in my post but I could tell they needed a pep talk. I know it may have come across harsh and I was concerned you might have taken offense to it thus my clarification in the beginning. I had NO idea you would take it so personally.I had no idea you would think I was talking about any one particular person. I think you mentioned T.Paul and someone else whose name I cannot recall. I did not mention any names in my post. Mostly because I choose not to remember any names when I am there. There is a difference between standing behind a member and applauding a members actions. Yes Shaudi was pissed and that is partially why the post over at YA was created, and yes part of it was to “get at their goat”. I have been a member there for several months now, and no it has not been the years that you have been there but I do see what goes on and I also see that there are several members over there old and new that do make posts for the mere purpose of being disruptive and riling up others. You cannot tell me that being a member over there for so long you have NOT seen this going on. You had to have noticed the posts about trolls and weasles and groundhogs and pictures of them and asterisks as well as mentionings of KIA’s , of course we both know they meant the cars. We all KNOW that.

As far as new and old generation and expiration dates and post counts. I was NOT talking of time with AVON as a rep. I was talking of time as a forum member and I was talking of reps who were wanting to think outside the box, the movers and shakers who wanted to take their business to the next level. That had nothing to do with new reps or old reps or time selling AVON. I understand you feel I took a virtual crap over at YA, what I do not understand is your thinking that I/we were going to continue to be intentionally disruptive to general population over at YA. What we had started was hypocritical and that was the point. I do think we got our point across. Shaudi was offended and had every right to post what she felt over there, yes a part of it was to get them going but if you seriously think it was to get EVERYONE at YA going, then you are mistaken.The post was made in the “talk to me” forum, I do not believe half of the general population even spends time in there. I cannot and will not control what my members do over at YA. If they are defending HappyDance I will stand behind them. That in no way or form means I “applaud” their actions. If I felt that Shaudi went too far then that is something for me to discuss with Shaudi. I am looking for no affirmation from anyone else nor do I chose to discuss it with anyone else but Shaudi FIRST, she deserves that respect from me.

In the same way you deserve the respect from me to discuss with you what I was thinking when I made my post and why your mod status was removed. Back when Tracey and I started putting this place together we came up with a protocol on what to happen if things became “heated” with a mod. We would temporarily remove their status so as not to risk the security of the forums. Then and only then would we attempt to work through things. This was not only for the safety of the boards but was also for each other because as you know, in a place like this friendships and relationships grow and over time you become loyal to those friends, how could you not right? Because of that sometimes your judgment becomes skewed.

I do not have any ill feelings toward and believe you are a good person. I really do. I just believe that you said it best when you said that maybe you are not a good “fit” here at this time. I wish you only the best in life and everything you set out to do. I hold no grudges or regrets and I do hope we can both move on from this.

Sincerely,

Tricia